Give me a freaking break, Tom Cole
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Sigh. Is it any wonder the GOP is about to get swept out to sea in the House of Representatives?
U.S. Rep. Tom Cole, R-Okla. said that even though Alaskans might be lukewarm about the Republican on the presidential ticket, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., the state is so red that it won't matter when it comes to the congressional race. McCain will "provide cover" for Republican candidates in Alaska, including Rep. Don Young, Cole said. . . .
"But so far as I know, nobody's been charged with anything and I think that becomes really critical. At the end of the day, I've served with Don Young. I believe he's an honorable man. I don't have any doubt about it."
You know, if Mississippi 1 is not enough handwriting on the wall, the GOP deserves what it gets. Seriously. Don't get me wrong, I like Tom Cole. But I think he is at worst delusional and at best spinning to make up for dismal candidate recruiting this year.
I mean, heck, he defended Rick Renzi (R-AZ) too.
The embattled Renzi said months ago that he would not seek reelection this year but vowed to serve out the rest of his term. In February, after Renzi was indicted on 35 federal charges, House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) pressed for him to step down.
In the zeal to protect incumbents, the GOP seems hell bent on throwing the party under the bus. Obama must be advising them, considering he's an expert at throwing people under the bus.
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You are talking election numbers only, and completely ignoring the stench of fat-cat corruption. If that's your view, then so be it. Young is not the worst in the party - but only because he is exceeded in corruption, arrogance, and graft, by one Ted Stevens.
IMHO, some people in the GOP deserve to be (at the minimum) shunned and isolated, and (preferably) primaried out of office. It is NOT just the red team against the blue team - at least not to me, and not to a whole bunch of conservatives and other Republicans.
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Don Young won't make it out of the primary.
And while he may not be "guilty" of anything in a legal sense, and I stress "may", he's a poster child for what's wrong, not just with Republicans, but with the entire Washginton establishment.
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That's why Robert Byrd and John Murtha, two king porkers, will go down to defeat too, huh?
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A. They haven't recently spent $1M in legal fees to attempt to defend themselves from corruption charges.
B. They are Democrats. Unfair? Sure, but it's the truth.
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They are members of the big government pro-corruption party. They are elected to be scum.
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"Don Young won't make it out of the primary."
I wouldn't be so sure of that. Granted, I am not an Alaskan, but I have seen ethically troubled incumbents win in a split primary field before. Let us not forget that Rep. Young and Lt. Gov. Parnall are also running against a state Representative (whose name I forget), whom has a significant chunk of change already raised. What if Young wins by 35%? Is there any way to get her out of the race?
BTW, because I suspect that Rep. Young is a crook (not proven, admittedly), and because I am sure he is a weaker candidate in the general, I would support Parnall in the primary (if I could vote in Alaska, which I can't). And I hope those Alaskans reading this blog will do the same.
As for Tom Cole, well ..., I think you know my opinion of his leadership. (Although I will say that this is a harder call then my criticism of his behavior in open seat or challenger races against Dems, where the NRCC definitely should take a side in the primary. Here we have an incumbent, and the Committees are not very likely, or well-suited, to challenge an incumbent. But I do think we are coming close to the point where Young should fit into the "crook" exception of my rule, and the NRCC should be - behind the scenes - moving against him.)
so even if all you care about is electability (and not morals, for example), Young is a risky bet:
Young trailing former state Rep. Ethan Berkowitz, 51 percent to 46 percent.
That's from Aug. 2007. Here is a Mar 2008 poll with his fav/unfav at 40/55. That's not a good bet for re-election.
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Life long Alaskan here so I feel I can post with a bit of knowledge on this one.
Lt. Gov. Parnell is running against him in the primary. The Palin administration is still rather popular here, and its only been 2 years since we threw out Frank in the primary. I've voted for Young in the past, and will probably do so again in the future should I have the chance. I'm not a huge Parnell fan, I'm not so sure that Palin's popularity is going to help him all that much.
The political climate up here is shifting with all the corruption charges and convictions. You don't spend well over 1,000,000 on legal fees if you aren't hiding anything. I'm sorry but thats just how it is.
That being said, Alaskans know where their roads, airports, hell everything comes from. Don Young and Ted Stevens. Red or Blue you can't argue they bring home the bacon. I'm not a huge fan of Don Young and it appears as if he's going to have some legal issues popping up eventually, but I would vote for him again just based on his seniority in the house. We only have 1 rep and to go back to a Freshman Congressman would hurt our state when we need somebody strong the most. ANWR isn't going to open itself and it looks like our Natural Gas Pipeline is going to need a federal kick in the butt to get going.
If Parnell wins the primary, Alaska is probably going to have a democrat in the house.
If Parnell wins the primary, Alaska is probably going to have a democrat in the house.
And why exactly is that?
Why would the Lt. Gov. of an Administration with 70+% approval ratings in a heavily R leaning state probably lose, while a guy with 40% approval ratings that's spent close to $1m on legal fees and is constantly at the very least on the borderline of major ethics violations be more electable?
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I'm not convinced the Parnell can turn Palin's popularity into a win. I think the Dems are pretty well motivated and funded this year. Young can be at 0 in the polls but nearly 100% will tell you losing him is going to hurt us. I think the tide in Alaska is shifting a bit to the left, Young is a powerhouse political machine compared to Parnell.
I think his problem is he's too far right on some of his Social stances for the moderates to really fall in line. There are a lot of democrats who hold their nose to vote for young (myself included) but when all things are equal I think that they'll break for a Dem.
You know, when the Lt. Gov, oh, WON STATEWIDE?
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in Palin's win. I doubt that the majority of Alaskan could even tell you who the light gov is and is profile is way below the clutter. As crass as it sounded, Young was about right when he said "I beat your dad, I'll beat you." His dad, a nice guy, had about the same profile. Unless there are charges, Young will likely win the primary; the general might be another story, but Jerkowitz is as left as Obama and can be drawn out on that.
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is just about the very last place you should look for any insight into Alaska politics. The paper is owned by McClatchey is is a shill for Democrats generally, and Mark Begich specifically. Likewise, those of the posters on the Alaska Politics blog are Begich sycophants, leg staffers and the like hiding behind a nom d'blog to pursue their own agenda, or outright nuts.
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Hey look! It's Don Young's biggest supporter!
So did he give you your cut of that money he got from the Florida people to slip in that earmark after the voting was done?
Or have even you run out of excuses for him?
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Apologize to Achance for your baseless accusation of criminal activity, and cease any further attacks of that nature on your fellow posters.
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He's been personally attacking me for months now, and nobody has ever made him apologize.
He's also defended every single thing Young has done and said he doesn't think anything he's done is illegal, so I'm not really accusing him of anything illegal under his own standard. Futhermore, what I said was clearly a joke.
That said, yes, it was a joke, and I apologize if anybody took it seriously, it wasn't meant to be a serious accusation.
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I told him long ago that I had concluded that he was an arrogant and ignorant a** and I wouldn't be wasting any more keystrokes; others have reached the same conclusion. And I've certainly never accused him of being in on criminal activity. For that matter, I've never defended Young beyond pointing out that he hadn't been charged with anything.
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in fact he's pretty deliberate.
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Pete Olsen's win in Texas shows us that conservatives don't need to rely on the party establishment for the recruitment of House candidates. Indeed they shouldn't.
Instead, the Internet allows conservatives to reach out and support a good conservative candidate whenever one steps forward to contest a winnable district. A strong conservative who wants to win election to the House need only start early and get the word out. In a complementary fashion, places like Red State provide the opportunity to identify "we can do better" districts and begin to moot suitable candidates.
... very incompetent at best, in my opinion. He is conservatives, and Republicans in general, worst nightmare.
Why do I say that?
Because he has recruited candidates to oppose elected Republicans in house seats we currently have because the current seat holder was not part of the "establishment". I can't remember the district number, but there is one house seat held by a Republican in Georgia that is a perfect example of this and I am sure Erik can refresh our memory of who I am trying to think of.
Then he done a terrible job recruiting candidates to oppose Democrats. What more reason do we need to feel he is terrible?
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"But so far as I know, nobody's been charged with anything and I think that becomes really critical"
I fully believe in innocent until proven guilty, but in electoral politics perception does in fact become reality in a lot of cases. Simply not being charged really doesn't give one confidence of the ultimate outcome. If Congressman Young is charged in the future I foresee Mr. Cole's words being used against him.
If you're a Dem, you have to be convicted before they'll even start to THINK about removing you.
Such is the world of politics and part of why so many good people want so little to do with it.
If good men stand aside and do nothing, that's all it takes for evil to prevail.
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would always rather fight to get its incumbents re-elected than improve its chances at winning open seats. The NRCC is no less a trade union existing for the benefit of its current membership than are the Teamsters, the NEA, the MLBPA or the UN General Assembly.
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the energy and creativity of the blogosphere offers a healthy corrective when it comes to identifying and promoting new candidates.
Recruiting LESS conservative people to run against conservatives.
Ignoring big problems (like Young / Stevens in Alaska, Renzi in Az, Vitter in LA) and then wondering why we lose seats like we did in 2008.
C'mon. Don Young may not be the best conservative or Republican in the House but do we really want to push out a Congressman who votes with us on so many important issues, and risk turning the seat over to a "conservative" Democrat.
Let's do a little comparison with a "conservative" Democrat which could be who represents Alaska if Young is out.
We can use Barron Hill a conservative D for these purposes.
D. Young voted against taxing oil companies and give the money to the enviro-wackos for alternate nonsense.
B. Hill voted for it.
D. Young voted against funding planned parenthood.
B. Hill voted for it.
D. Young voted against disaproving the surge.
B. Hill voted against the Surge.
So were going to push out Young because he likes pork/a little corrupt and as a result risk the War in Iraq, Gas Prices (economy), and the culture of life.
Are we done teaching ourselves a lesson and as a result losing elections, and target D's in Ruby Red districts.
C. Melachon
G. Taylor
C. Edwards
E. Pomeroy
We can start there.
There is an R running who is a reformer. He is the current Lt. Gov serving under reformist GOV Palin (R). He also has lower unfavs than Young. Pretty much he's more ethical and more electable than Young.
But the establishment doesn't care about ethics or electability, they care about incumbency. So instead of totally staying out of it, they feel a need to back the unethical, unelectable incumbent.
If Young wins the primary, he'll have some support but he's also part of the reason the R brand stinks. People think R means "corrupt, unethical, pork-barreler" and guys like Young perpetuate that problem.
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I think we need more than a few polls months out of an election to determine that Young is unelectable. Especially since the man hasn't lost a race in 30 plus years and a close election from him is a 17 point blowout.
Plus he raises a ton of money and we would have to spend resources that could be spent elsewhere if it is an open seat race.
And McCain will do a good job fixing the R brand from being thought of as corrupt, unethical and porkbarrler. Young is irrelavent to promoting a new brand.
I just think any Dem is more dangerous than Young.
Perhaps, but we must remember 2006. A lot of people made similar claims about a certain Senator from Montana back in 2006, and in retrospect he should have been dumped.
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It turned out he was innocent ... but as usual, we stood back and let a flood of falsehoods land his way.
about the Palin Administration other than the constant rhetoric about "integrity" and "transparency," of which there is actually little in Alaska's government. To the extent that the Leg has cleaned up its act, it has more to do with their having seen some of their number go to jail and the Oil Companies pretty much withdraw from the field than any change in the political winds brought on by pretty, perky Sarah. She has pretty much the same old crowd in the Executive Branch that Knowles put there, Murkowski kept, and she can't or won't, mostly can't, replace. It's the same old crowd running the government for the benefit of themselves, the Treasury, and their potential consulting/lobbying contracts rather than the people of the State. Palin can talk all she wants about "integrity" and "tranparency," but until there are some first class firings or funerals, it is just empty, though persuasive to the heathen masses, rhetoric.
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Don Young will win. 2006 was a "tough re-election" for him and he won by 17 pts.
As for Renzi, it's a district that slightly leans Republican, so I'm hoping that the GOP can retain the seat with a halfway competent candidate, given that McCain will likely increase GOP turnout in Arizona.
I understand that there is a tough race going on in MS and in LA, but I fail to see what fault Tom Cole has there. By all accounts, Greg Davis seems to be a good candidate with a long history of elected office in the district. The Dems lucked out and recruited a candidate who is virtually indistinguishable from Davis on social issues, and is popular in the district as well. Ditto on LA-06.
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